Curse

calamitykell · Nov 12, 2005, 07:30 AM // 07:30

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Originally Posted by Trinity Entragian

I would still have preferred that none of this mess had ever happened. I was happy with the gameplay the way it was and personally saw no need to mess with it

That's the thing though.

This is a general statement, not just to you Trinity.

Before yesterday I heard almost everywhere that PvE is boring, easy, and stale. All the game is about is PvP. Blah blah blah. People are quitting the game. Some say because there's no content, some say because they're bored.

So ANet tried to make PvE more challenging and exciting. IGNORE THE FIRE MAGIC RESULT, I'LL GET TO IT IN A SECOND.

Their intent may have been to stop solo-farming. But let's be realistic, unless they put up a flag on town portals that says "Sorry, but your party has too few numbers. Please invite more people to exit this outpost." or "Are you sure you want to leave the party? Doing so will teleport the group to the last outpost visited." -- solo-farming isn't going to disappear. As developers, despite the emotion and disappointment some of us feel in this patch, ArenaNet have shown an incredible amount of awareness and concern in their product, so I fully believe they are fully aware they cannot stamp out solo-farming entirely and really had the best interests of PvE in mind when they decided to alter the AI to include the AoE-avoid tactic.

So they did it. They implemented it, and on paper it was great. Finally, AI that challenges us with forcing us to use tactics on the fly, rather than just stand there dumbly and outnumber us hoping we'll all die before they do! But... there were side affects. There are always side affects. Because enemies scatter on AoE, and because Fire Magic contains quite a few AoE spells, suddenly they're not compatible. Of course, 5 minutes after this is realized, the proverbial shit hit the fan and everybody threw a temper tantrum and demanded in outrage that ArenaNet give the players back 'their game' (their = the players'). Not the best way to go about things, but typically on forums, the immediate way things are handled. Change, awareness, riot.

I have complete confidence that ArenaNet did not gather and say:

"You know, my house caught on fire last week. I wish people didn't think it was so cool."

"Hey, I know, let's make Fire useless in our game so people won't like it anymore!"

"Brilliant!"

If anybody here believes ArenaNet sabotaged that skill line intentionally and they do not care how it affects you, I suggest growing up and getting away from the computer for a few days. The world does not revolve around you. (Those lines only apply to those who believe ANet sabotaged the game to intentionally hurt them.)

Look, you have to face it:

People were bored. They wanted something done.

ANet did something. People want it undone.

ArenaNet is damned if they do, and damned if they don't. I, for one, don't believe they deserve half the garbage directed at them in this thread and ones similar to this. It is a game, a game we all love(d). But when you look at it realistically: when you start to depend on a video game as your only escape from real life, there are issues, and I don't mean of the netcode variety.

Look, I love this game, and I love ArenaNet for it. I don't want them dissuaded because a few people's reactions to an update were negative. There is no need to flame each other, we're all fans, and all affected.

In short, we all, those against and those for this update, need to get over it, get over ourselves, and grow up. We're nothing more than bickering children because mommy and daddy changed the parental controls on our cable box. Breathe, relax, and get some perspective.

Please?

Sagius Truthbarron · Nov 12, 2005, 07:32 AM // 07:32

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Originally Posted by Eonwe

Fix the henchmen and enemy A.I., and watch hilarity ensue. Priceless.

I know. It's kind of like Anet's version of joining a random tombs pug and putting down maxed EoE at every map.

Trinity Entragian · Nov 12, 2005, 07:36 AM // 07:36

Random chain of thought regarding the Farming issue....

*Anet = Corporation = in business to make money...all other considerations irrelevant

*Anet discourages players from farming

*EULA prohibits players from selling gold, items, and such on Ebay/Etc.

*Anet takes no noticable actions against those blatantly selling gold or
advertising the sale of gold in game, though such actions are legally and technically available to them.

*Anet issues update that some contend severly restricts their ability to farm and encourages the purchase of gold on Ebay/Etc.

*Anet, unrestricted by their own EULA - or any other law that I know of - sells gold on Ebay, etc. No overhead as they don't even have to farm..just create it out of thin air.

*Anet profit margin increases = investors happy

*gamers none the wiser...

Conclusion-

*Anet = Virgoods, Ebay sellers, Etc. ?!?!?

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In light of their constant attempts to nerf player ability to farm while doing little or nothing about the Sellers who constantly promote their services in multiple districts, it's as good an explanation for their actions as any.

* removes paranoia cap *

Just playing around with this, so don't take it to seriously. Is something to think about though.

Flame away!

Aeon_Xin · Nov 12, 2005, 07:39 AM // 07:39

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

Well the sad part is that I must rag about the runners, and as I posted in the other thread about the update they're ruining my gameplay experience. ......... It's a vicious cycle that I hope Anet realizes they are promoting by disallowing farming to some extent.

OK, this is a little more understandable.

I agree, the patch is bad. Why fix what isn't broken. There were no complaints about AI/AOE before.

*Edit Not a proper quote box, I'm sorry, please excuse me...:

"ArenaNet is damned if they do, and damned if they don't. I, for one, don't believe they deserve half the garbage directed at them in this thread and ones similar to this. "

But they do deserve half the garbage.

One simple avoidance tactic they could have used is a poll, about fixing the AI, with an explanation of something like (the monster will typically only ever endure 3-4 seconds of it, then scatter).
It would have been voted no, hands down.

quickmonty · Nov 12, 2005, 07:55 AM // 07:55

I'm a modest Kryta farmer (solo monk build). Build still works, but what used to take me 5 minutes now takes 15 minutes with the undead running from me everytime I heal myself.

I retooled my ele to fire and air. Shared my new build with my guildmates who think it works great, and it does, but missions that used to take half an hour are now over an hour. Have to pin that boss that keeps running away and healing and coming back again.

Yes, I can think my way out of a paper bag, but ...... I now get less gaming pleasure in the amount of time I have to play. More frustration dealing with not-so-intelligent "artificial intelligence". And the feeling that more such "improvements" will be coming down the road.

I played the new "patch" that was implemented a short time ago but as yet have not seen any significant improvement. I don't know what Anet's long term goal is, but it seems like they are alienating a lot of previously loyal players.

Shadowdaemon · Nov 12, 2005, 07:58 AM // 07:58

hahaha love that conspiracy trinity, i would do it if i was them

its funny also people whine that fire is useless now, you should have tried being water before all their skills got boosted, you got removed from a group quicker than a ranger, up until this point probably 85% of the ele's in pve were fire, not only because it has way more skills, but you also get the useful ones sooner, i think its great, now all the farming groups in the warcamp are looking for necro's and mesmer's to go with them, its about time there was a little change in the favor of the characters imho.

Aeon_Xin · Nov 12, 2005, 07:58 AM // 07:58

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Originally Posted by calamitykell

Why would you vote no without actually experiencing it? No offense, but that's outright stupid.

If you honestly feel they deserve half the garbage aimed at them, you seriously need to grow up.

First half of your post:
I would have voted no, my Aoe's don't do half the damage that they would before, AND my NPC's would freak out too?
They would have had to describe the effects, and no ele that loves his/her AOEs would have gone for it.

Re read that entire post again, you missed something.

I quoted someone else who said "they don't deserve half of "(paraphrase)
In all logic, it means that they do infact deserve the other half........

Trinity Entragian · Nov 12, 2005, 07:59 AM // 07:59

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Originally Posted by calamitykell

(Those lines only apply to those who believe ANet sabotaged the game to intentionally hurt them.)

I don't think they sabotaged the game to hurt me. I just believe they sabotaged the game....not sure why.

For my part, I'm just a casual gamer..one who normally plays FPS. This is my first MMORPG (or whatever they're calling it this week) and I have enjoyed it very much - at least until yesterday - and was looking forward to the expansions. Not feeling so eager for them now.

But, in the end, it's just a game and means nothing to me in the grand scheme of things other than as a source of entertainment. If they choose to make it unenjoyable for me, I'll move on. No big deal. Always something new on the horizon to look forward to.

Feminist Terrorist · Nov 12, 2005, 08:00 AM // 08:00

I don't like the update at all. I was happy with the way the game was before, and I wish it would be put back. I'm not going to flame or attack anyone. Just...I'm sitting here, debating about whether I even want to start the game tonight.

calamitykell · Nov 12, 2005, 08:02 AM // 08:02

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Originally Posted by Aeon_Xin

I quoted someone else who said "they don't deserve half of "(paraphrase)
In all logic, it means that they do infact deserve the other half........

lol, it was my post.

What I meant was they didn't really deserve any. I understand the constructive criticisms people are giving, and ANet deserves those, but the whining and crying like "OMG, U RUIN GAME, Y U DO THAT?", they can do without.

Trust them, they've been developing games longer than you have.

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Originally Posted by Trinity Entragian

I don't think they sabotaged the game to hurt me. I just believed the sabotage the game....not sure why.

For my part, I'm just a casual gamer..one who normally plays FPS. This is my first MMORPG (or whatever they're calling it this week) and I have enjoyed it very much - at least until yesterday - and was looking forward to the expansions. Not feeling so eager for them now.

But, in the end, it's just a game and means nothing to me in the grand scheme of things other than as a source of entertainment. If they choose to make it unenjoyable for me, I'll move on. No big deal. Always something new on the horizon to look forward to.

if there were a heart or hug smiley I'd post a bunch. You're one of the very few who are disapointed, and not acting like you've just been evicted from your home. <3~

Trinity Entragian · Nov 12, 2005, 08:04 AM // 08:04

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Originally Posted by Shadowdaemon

hahaha love that conspiracy trinity, i would do it if i was them

Glad you liked it.

Wouldn't be the first time a corporation played it a little "dirty" to increase their profit margin, and it's not like anyones gonna stop them from doing it.

Shadowdaemon · Nov 12, 2005, 08:05 AM // 08:05

as long as we are whining about updates, personally i would like to see all the traders take a damn hike, i could actually sell runes, materials, dyes, and make a lot of money doing it, so lets get rid of them, oh yeah, and finding a group for hells precipice is NOT easy when you are a nec/warrior tank, so can we please give hundred blades back to the charr outside of piken square please????

ANet better give into my selfish demands, because they are making the game unenjoyable for me, and i will so totally not play anymore if they dont

(oh yeah and please re-break thunderclap, cause i didnt get to exploit that before it was fixed)

Aeon_Xin · Nov 12, 2005, 08:10 AM // 08:10

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Originally Posted by calamitykell

lol, it was my post.

What I meant was they....home. <3~

To clear that all up, Half of what their getting is the OMG you suck.

The other half, hopefully half I'm taking part in, the half they deserve, is the actualy discussion of the flaws, benifits, and sopporting actions and story behind each part.

That's whe way I read into it.

Shadowdaemon · Nov 12, 2005, 08:19 AM // 08:19

have you guys seen the farming video with ignite arrows??? the monsters run away every time they are shot, and they dont stay long enough to do any damage, making the ranger basically invincable to solo with, so why dont you guys make a ranger to farm with, im sure farming is the main thing here everyone is mad about, even though most people deny it on these boards

Trinity Entragian · Nov 12, 2005, 08:23 AM // 08:23

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Originally Posted by Shadowdaemon

have you guys seen the farming video with ignite arrows??? the monsters run away every time they are shot, and they dont stay long enough to do any damage, making the ranger basically invincable to solo with, so why dont you guys make a ranger to farm with, im sure farming is the main thing here everyone is mad about, even though most people deny it on these boards

Because they're gonna be swinging their nerf bat at rangers next. If we hurry, we can get lvl'ed and get all our skills just in time to get ganked by the next update.

name-Dan · Nov 12, 2005, 08:28 AM // 08:28

As much as I have played over the past 33 days since I bought GuildWars(over 300 hours on age) I never really gave too much attention to the patches, yes it did affect me but so long as I can adapt to it its all cool that is until last thursday's patch. It has ruined GuildWars for me and my friends and with this kind of radical patching we really have no intention of continuing on, even with the new updated patch.

jamaju · Nov 12, 2005, 08:29 AM // 08:29

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

...Or people can realize what that weapon crafter in Droknars does. Ya know, the one that can forge you a 15^50 sword, req 9, completely clean to boot. The only reason you NEED gold is to not feel cheap, and in all reality that is pretty sad. There are also collectors who can give you items that are just as good as those perfect items that cost you hundreds of thousands of gold. ...

I could not agree more. You hit the nail right on the head there.
Personally, I use a collectors axe, rod, ankh and sheild... and upgrades that I found.
But I am currently sitting on 3/4 of a mill, simply because of the love of gold items.
And as for collectors items... well. lol. They're usually Better than gold.

What they're gonna need to do is impliment collectors that give Ivory, Storm and Eternal bows... Flamberges and Fellblades... All that sort of crap. lol.
You know.. if they introduced a collector that gave 15^50 blue Crystalline swords for say... 5 ecto.. I'm CERTAIN that people woudl still pay 2.5 mill for one that was gold. LOL!

Shadowdaemon · Nov 12, 2005, 08:29 AM // 08:29

i think that is a bit dramatic, look how long it was since protective bond got nerfed until now, they really arent out to mess anyone up, althought if they feel like it there wouldnt be anything we can do about it, plus, if everyone really was mad enough to quit playing, then what is it to them? they have sold millions of copies of something that costs 50 dollars, so i would say they win, either way

not that i would quit anyways, i like to farm, but i mostly do it with my warrior or my necro, my necro doesnt use AoE, and my warrior just uses one, and now that means he has time to heal if he needs to, so its all good

john little · Nov 12, 2005, 08:30 AM // 08:30

I like the patch, it forces people to consider builds and skills they might otherwise have not used. My fire elementalist build has stayed pretty much constant since launch, filled up with fire AoE. Rangers have had to adapt their builds, Monks have, Warriors have, so why not the elementalist? The snare spells needed a boost, and AoE was way too effective in PvE.

AoE now does the same job in PvE as it does in PvP - it can be used to dissuade melee enemies from attacking you, and can be used to move the enemy around to where you want them. What I would like to see now is 'aimed' AoE where it can be used without any target - I think this would improve the tactical aspect of AoE.

Aeon_Xin · Nov 12, 2005, 08:33 AM // 08:33

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Originally Posted by Shadowdaemon

have you guys seen the farming video with ignite arrows??? the monsters run away every time they are shot, and they dont stay long enough to do any damage, making the ranger basically invincable to solo with, so why dont you guys make a ranger to farm with, im sure farming is the main thing here everyone is mad about, even though most people deny it on these boards

LOL @ "It's just not the same" above.

But for this post..
I like my cute ele chick.(Yes, I'm a dude, but chicks get better help and free items in the game, from the guys who think it's gay to play a chick character, so that's a bonus)
I don't farm, I'm way too noob to do any of that, I'll introduce you ingame and you can see her levels, and you can come watch me die in the field.